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	<title>Comments on: Catholic Rites and Ceremonies: Reproduction of Pagan Creeds</title>
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		<title>By: cristino</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-347805</link>
		<dc:creator>cristino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a devout roman catholic until I found Christ as my Saviour and God and
disovered the true meaning of salvation the biblical way. In revelation 17 the Catholic
Church no doubt is the &#039; whore of babaylon&#039; because catholic doctrines and practices
originated from the pagan  mystery babylon religion. As i study the bible the more
I discovered the truth and the Truth has set me free from the idolatrous system of
catholicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a devout roman catholic until I found Christ as my Saviour and God and<br />
disovered the true meaning of salvation the biblical way. In revelation 17 the Catholic<br />
Church no doubt is the &#8216; whore of babaylon&#8217; because catholic doctrines and practices<br />
originated from the pagan  mystery babylon religion. As i study the bible the more<br />
I discovered the truth and the Truth has set me free from the idolatrous system of<br />
catholicism.</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-294267</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like what I said, you are just saying you are not worshiping God trhough the images, yet what you are doing is a worship through images. 

If you&#039;ll examine the Bible, God is spirit, and the Spirit has no flesh and bones. Now, why are you using the images of the Saints when in fact you want to worship God. And the teaching of Christ is clear that to worship God, you need to worship him in Spirit and in Truth not by the use of the images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like what I said, you are just saying you are not worshiping God trhough the images, yet what you are doing is a worship through images. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll examine the Bible, God is spirit, and the Spirit has no flesh and bones. Now, why are you using the images of the Saints when in fact you want to worship God. And the teaching of Christ is clear that to worship God, you need to worship him in Spirit and in Truth not by the use of the images.</p>
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		<title>By: aranince</title>
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		<dc:creator>aranince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not worshipping God through images. Just what i have said &quot;pictures of your loved ones in your pocket&quot; When you miss someone you love and you see her picture and said &quot;i miss you&quot;. Are you telling the picture that you miss her? Of course not right?
Got my point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not worshipping God through images. Just what i have said &#8220;pictures of your loved ones in your pocket&#8221; When you miss someone you love and you see her picture and said &#8220;i miss you&#8221;. Are you telling the picture that you miss her? Of course not right?<br />
Got my point?</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-294157</link>
		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lord&#039;s Prayer that you are praying is really a prayer to the true God, yet the way you are reciting this prayer is in pagan way.

Christ did not tell you to memorize that prayer. And He did not tell you to recite it in pagan way.

You said that statues are there to remember your savior not to worship it. However, your action contradicts what you&#039;re saying. Besides, Christ&#039;s teaching is clear that in worshiping God, you should worship Him in Spirit and in Truth not through images.

&lt;strong&gt;Christmas&lt;/strong&gt;

So, you agreed that Christmas is based in pagan feast. But didn&#039;t you know that Christ forbid his followers to take part of the pagan rituals and feast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lord&#8217;s Prayer that you are praying is really a prayer to the true God, yet the way you are reciting this prayer is in pagan way.</p>
<p>Christ did not tell you to memorize that prayer. And He did not tell you to recite it in pagan way.</p>
<p>You said that statues are there to remember your savior not to worship it. However, your action contradicts what you&#8217;re saying. Besides, Christ&#8217;s teaching is clear that in worshiping God, you should worship Him in Spirit and in Truth not through images.</p>
<p><strong>Christmas</strong></p>
<p>So, you agreed that Christmas is based in pagan feast. But didn&#8217;t you know that Christ forbid his followers to take part of the pagan rituals and feast?</p>
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		<title>By: aranince</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-294140</link>
		<dc:creator>aranince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know the  The Lord&#039;s Prayer? It is one of the best known prayers in Christianity. The first line says &quot;Our Father who art in Heaven&quot;.  We say this prayer sometimes facing an altar, statue or a picture depicting Jesus. Is this a pagan ritual? We say &quot;who art in heaven&quot;? not &quot;who is in the altar&quot;? Right? Having some statue doesn&#039;t mean we worship that statue, it is like having a picture of you love ones in your pocket. As simple as that. 
They say Christmas is based on a pagan feast, who cares? At least we remember that our Saviour was born in this Earth in the past. Though the date is not accurate. 
I even have some friends from other religion that celebrate it. Though they don&#039;t believe that Jesus is a God, they beleive that He is a prophet but it doesn&#039;t pose a problem celebrating Christmas in their country. They only want to be part of our Tradition to bridge the gap between these to Religion.
Also we respect theirs to the point of not having to eat or drink in front of them during their Holy Month though we are not restricted to.
It is just respect my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know the  The Lord&#8217;s Prayer? It is one of the best known prayers in Christianity. The first line says &#8220;Our Father who art in Heaven&#8221;.  We say this prayer sometimes facing an altar, statue or a picture depicting Jesus. Is this a pagan ritual? We say &#8220;who art in heaven&#8221;? not &#8220;who is in the altar&#8221;? Right? Having some statue doesn&#8217;t mean we worship that statue, it is like having a picture of you love ones in your pocket. As simple as that.<br />
They say Christmas is based on a pagan feast, who cares? At least we remember that our Saviour was born in this Earth in the past. Though the date is not accurate.<br />
I even have some friends from other religion that celebrate it. Though they don&#8217;t believe that Jesus is a God, they beleive that He is a prophet but it doesn&#8217;t pose a problem celebrating Christmas in their country. They only want to be part of our Tradition to bridge the gap between these to Religion.<br />
Also we respect theirs to the point of not having to eat or drink in front of them during their Holy Month though we are not restricted to.<br />
It is just respect my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-289271</link>
		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ll examine the teachings of Christ recorded on the Holy Scriptures, you&#039;ll notice that Christ wanted his follower to follow his teachings because his teachings is not his own but is of God. You&#039;ll even notice that Christ hate to see his followers doing the pagan ways like praying in a pagan way (rosary, novena, etc.), worshiping in pagan way (worship through images), etc. 

You claimed that Catholics are worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth. However, it was just a claim because what really Catholics do is worshiping God through the images of Saints.

Catholic are asking God for his blessings but they are serving the images of the Saints. Every time they received grace they thank the images of the Saints.

Here&#039;s in the Philippines, when the homes of the Catholics got burned, the first thing they did was saving all the images of their Saints. But then in the end, they&#039;re thanking the images of their saints because for them they were saved by those images. What a fool thinking.

&lt;strong&gt;Inspired Books?&lt;/strong&gt;

Just like what I said, Catholics successfully collected the Holy Scriptures used by Christ and his apostles, including the writings of the Apostles. However, not all books collected by the Catholic and included them into the Bible are inspired in fact Catholics are using some books that contains doctrines not of God because those books clearly contradicted the teachings of God in the old testament and the teachings introduced by Christ in the new testaments.

You consider the Catholic church an authority on this but then it failed to follow the teachings of Christ. In fact, Catholic introduced doctrines that contradicts the truth recorded on the Holy Scriptures. Purgatory is one of these teachings.

&lt;strong&gt;Rock Foundation&lt;/strong&gt;

Just like what I said, if Christ has said &quot;... and upon you, the rock, I will build my church&quot; then I will not be arguing with you because it is already clear that the church would be built on Peter. But that&#039;s not the case and besides, Peter himself explained that it&#039;s Christ who is the Rock Foundation and this is even attested by Apostle Paul. So who should I believed with, your conclusion or the explanation of the Apostles?

And another thing, it is not Peter alone who have given the keys to heaven. Check your bible about it.

&lt;strong&gt;Finale&lt;/strong&gt;

Actually, I am not offended by your comment. I replied to your comment because I have answers to your argument.

Well, I am listening. In fact I replied your comment because I am reading your comment and I understand what you are talking about. 

I am checking the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and compared them to the teachings of Christ in the Bible and I found out that almost all doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church go against the teachings of Christ recorded in the Bible.

And you couldn&#039;t blame me but blame the authorities of the Roman Catholic Church for teaching doctrines that contradict the teachings of Christ recorded in the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ll examine the teachings of Christ recorded on the Holy Scriptures, you&#8217;ll notice that Christ wanted his follower to follow his teachings because his teachings is not his own but is of God. You&#8217;ll even notice that Christ hate to see his followers doing the pagan ways like praying in a pagan way (rosary, novena, etc.), worshiping in pagan way (worship through images), etc. </p>
<p>You claimed that Catholics are worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth. However, it was just a claim because what really Catholics do is worshiping God through the images of Saints.</p>
<p>Catholic are asking God for his blessings but they are serving the images of the Saints. Every time they received grace they thank the images of the Saints.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s in the Philippines, when the homes of the Catholics got burned, the first thing they did was saving all the images of their Saints. But then in the end, they&#8217;re thanking the images of their saints because for them they were saved by those images. What a fool thinking.</p>
<p><strong>Inspired Books?</strong></p>
<p>Just like what I said, Catholics successfully collected the Holy Scriptures used by Christ and his apostles, including the writings of the Apostles. However, not all books collected by the Catholic and included them into the Bible are inspired in fact Catholics are using some books that contains doctrines not of God because those books clearly contradicted the teachings of God in the old testament and the teachings introduced by Christ in the new testaments.</p>
<p>You consider the Catholic church an authority on this but then it failed to follow the teachings of Christ. In fact, Catholic introduced doctrines that contradicts the truth recorded on the Holy Scriptures. Purgatory is one of these teachings.</p>
<p><strong>Rock Foundation</strong></p>
<p>Just like what I said, if Christ has said &#8220;&#8230; and upon you, the rock, I will build my church&#8221; then I will not be arguing with you because it is already clear that the church would be built on Peter. But that&#8217;s not the case and besides, Peter himself explained that it&#8217;s Christ who is the Rock Foundation and this is even attested by Apostle Paul. So who should I believed with, your conclusion or the explanation of the Apostles?</p>
<p>And another thing, it is not Peter alone who have given the keys to heaven. Check your bible about it.</p>
<p><strong>Finale</strong></p>
<p>Actually, I am not offended by your comment. I replied to your comment because I have answers to your argument.</p>
<p>Well, I am listening. In fact I replied your comment because I am reading your comment and I understand what you are talking about. </p>
<p>I am checking the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and compared them to the teachings of Christ in the Bible and I found out that almost all doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church go against the teachings of Christ recorded in the Bible.</p>
<p>And you couldn&#8217;t blame me but blame the authorities of the Roman Catholic Church for teaching doctrines that contradict the teachings of Christ recorded in the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: spirit matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirit matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, paganism is defined as something that you do with &#039;pagan intention&#039; and the Lord doesn&#039;t look on appearances. The Catholic Church wants to sanctify everything that God created. We worship Him in spirit and truth. We don&#039;t say that we kneel on an image of Jesus with the intention to worship a stone or Buddha. 

On my second comment, and who assures you that the canon of books that the Church collected is really inspired, assures you that they are inspired and you&#039;re using it. Why not use the &#039;Gospel of Thomas&#039; or any other book you may find at that time. Who has authority to choose the books? Can anyone just say that the book that he is reading is inspired? And who chose the books of the King James Bible? Are they linked to Christ. And why do they rejected the Deuterocanonical Books? The Lord founded His Church and He preserves it from error thru the Authority He has given Peter to bind or to loose. If your point is to be considered, anyone may choose any book that he &#039;feels&#039; inspired and that is against &quot;that all may be one.&quot; I hope that you don&#039;t call me &quot;vain in reasoning, having a senseless and darkened mind&quot; without looking at what you&#039;re saying first. What authority assures you that you&#039;re interpretations of the Bible is true and not erroneous?

On my third comment, still, I don&#039;t think so. Matthew would have mentioned anything of what Jesus is standing on and anything that He may have been holding if that&#039;s the very case. And He may have not began what He was saying with &quot;You are Peter&quot; but ommiting this and only beginning His sentence with &quot;Peter, upon this rock...&quot; like in the other parts of the Gospels. Another is He would have said only Peter&#039;s name when He was giving him the keys namely, the sentence should be: &quot;Upon this rock I will build my church. And you are Peter and I will give you the keys...&quot;

Last, I just thought you are Catholic who is just looking for answers because of your post. Forgive me if I offended you with my comments. This is eating-up yours and my time and even I have answers to you, I think you will not listen and we&#039;re going round the bush. You will easily find other resources to enlighten you before you judge the Catholic Church. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for spending time in answering to my posts. I cannot blame you because in the Philippines the Catholic Faith had been very mixed with superstions called &#039;pamahiin&#039; or dwarves or lucky charms called &#039;anting-antings&#039; which eclipsed the true teachings of the Church. Very many Catholics in the country is ignorant of their spiritual practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, paganism is defined as something that you do with &#8216;pagan intention&#8217; and the Lord doesn&#8217;t look on appearances. The Catholic Church wants to sanctify everything that God created. We worship Him in spirit and truth. We don&#8217;t say that we kneel on an image of Jesus with the intention to worship a stone or Buddha. </p>
<p>On my second comment, and who assures you that the canon of books that the Church collected is really inspired, assures you that they are inspired and you&#8217;re using it. Why not use the &#8216;Gospel of Thomas&#8217; or any other book you may find at that time. Who has authority to choose the books? Can anyone just say that the book that he is reading is inspired? And who chose the books of the King James Bible? Are they linked to Christ. And why do they rejected the Deuterocanonical Books? The Lord founded His Church and He preserves it from error thru the Authority He has given Peter to bind or to loose. If your point is to be considered, anyone may choose any book that he &#8216;feels&#8217; inspired and that is against &#8220;that all may be one.&#8221; I hope that you don&#8217;t call me &#8220;vain in reasoning, having a senseless and darkened mind&#8221; without looking at what you&#8217;re saying first. What authority assures you that you&#8217;re interpretations of the Bible is true and not erroneous?</p>
<p>On my third comment, still, I don&#8217;t think so. Matthew would have mentioned anything of what Jesus is standing on and anything that He may have been holding if that&#8217;s the very case. And He may have not began what He was saying with &#8220;You are Peter&#8221; but ommiting this and only beginning His sentence with &#8220;Peter, upon this rock&#8230;&#8221; like in the other parts of the Gospels. Another is He would have said only Peter&#8217;s name when He was giving him the keys namely, the sentence should be: &#8220;Upon this rock I will build my church. And you are Peter and I will give you the keys&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Last, I just thought you are Catholic who is just looking for answers because of your post. Forgive me if I offended you with my comments. This is eating-up yours and my time and even I have answers to you, I think you will not listen and we&#8217;re going round the bush. You will easily find other resources to enlighten you before you judge the Catholic Church. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for spending time in answering to my posts. I cannot blame you because in the Philippines the Catholic Faith had been very mixed with superstions called &#8216;pamahiin&#8217; or dwarves or lucky charms called &#8216;anting-antings&#8217; which eclipsed the true teachings of the Church. Very many Catholics in the country is ignorant of their spiritual practices.</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-287197</link>
		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we say Christian activities it simply refers to the activities that are in accordance to the teachings of Christ.

If we say Pagan festival then these are festivals that are not only celebrated by pagan but are also against the doctrines of Christ.

If Christ taught the true Christian to worship God in Spirit and in truth and forbid us to worship images, then adapting pagans way of worshiping clearly contradicts the doctrine of Christ.

Read Romans 1:19-22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we say Christian activities it simply refers to the activities that are in accordance to the teachings of Christ.</p>
<p>If we say Pagan festival then these are festivals that are not only celebrated by pagan but are also against the doctrines of Christ.</p>
<p>If Christ taught the true Christian to worship God in Spirit and in truth and forbid us to worship images, then adapting pagans way of worshiping clearly contradicts the doctrine of Christ.</p>
<p>Read Romans 1:19-22</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-287190</link>
		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Roman Catholic Church successfully collected the Holy Scriptures used by Christ and the Apostles including the book and letters of the Apostles, but the Roman Catholic Church failed to follow the teachings of Christ and the Apostles recorded in the bible.

Romans 1:19-21</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Roman Catholic Church successfully collected the Holy Scriptures used by Christ and the Apostles including the book and letters of the Apostles, but the Roman Catholic Church failed to follow the teachings of Christ and the Apostles recorded in the bible.</p>
<p>Romans 1:19-21</p>
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		<title>By: SELaplana</title>
		<link>http://www.selaplana.com/2007/01/13/catholic-rites-and-ceremonies-reproduction-of-pagan-creeds/#comment-287187</link>
		<dc:creator>SELaplana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can read the articles I mentioned on my previous comment....

If you&#039;ll examine the verse, you&#039;ll notice that Christ is not telling Simon to be the rock foundation but is simply calling him Peter as Simon&#039;s name, &quot;You are Peter&quot;. When Christ mentioned &quot;You&quot;, He is pointing or referring to Simon.

But the next clause begins with the &quot;on THIS&quot; and the term &quot;THIS&quot; is obviously not referring to Simon because if Christ really referred Simon, then the term &quot;THIS&quot; would not be used here but would be the term &quot;YOU&quot; as what he used when he said &quot;You are Peter&quot;.

The term &quot;THIS&quot; can be used to refer the place Christ was standing, or it can be used to refer the thing he was holding. However, the place Christ was standing and the thing Christ was holding couldn&#039;t be the foundation of the church because it was explained by Peter himself and by apostle Paul that the rock foundation of the church is Christ himself. So when Christ mentioned &quot;THIS&quot; he was pointing to himself.

Haven&#039;t you still remember when Christ said, &quot;Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it raise it up&quot;? 

The term &quot;THIS&quot; on that statement is not referring to the temple which is the house of worship or a building or a structure. It was used by Christ to refer to his body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can read the articles I mentioned on my previous comment&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll examine the verse, you&#8217;ll notice that Christ is not telling Simon to be the rock foundation but is simply calling him Peter as Simon&#8217;s name, &#8220;You are Peter&#8221;. When Christ mentioned &#8220;You&#8221;, He is pointing or referring to Simon.</p>
<p>But the next clause begins with the &#8220;on THIS&#8221; and the term &#8220;THIS&#8221; is obviously not referring to Simon because if Christ really referred Simon, then the term &#8220;THIS&#8221; would not be used here but would be the term &#8220;YOU&#8221; as what he used when he said &#8220;You are Peter&#8221;.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;THIS&#8221; can be used to refer the place Christ was standing, or it can be used to refer the thing he was holding. However, the place Christ was standing and the thing Christ was holding couldn&#8217;t be the foundation of the church because it was explained by Peter himself and by apostle Paul that the rock foundation of the church is Christ himself. So when Christ mentioned &#8220;THIS&#8221; he was pointing to himself.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you still remember when Christ said, &#8220;Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it raise it up&#8221;? </p>
<p>The term &#8220;THIS&#8221; on that statement is not referring to the temple which is the house of worship or a building or a structure. It was used by Christ to refer to his body.</p>
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