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Iglesia Ni Cristo vs Catholic Church Debate – 1

I am fond of reading Bible and engaging in informal debate and bible sharing.

Normally, the two persons in debate tried to show proofs or verses of the Bible in different versions just to back up their claims, arguments or beliefs. Then whenever one uses a questionable verse in proving something, the other one tries to show or prove that the verse he used is erroneously translated. I haven’t yet witness a debate that one of the debater tried to deceive the audience, his opponents or the moderator by changing a page of certain version of the Bible, not until I found this video:

The debate was held on August 5, 2006. The Iglesia ni Cristo was represented by Brother Ramil Parba while the Roman Catholic Church was represented by Mr. Talibong. Usually, in formal debates the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines is represented by one of the members of the Catholic Defender.

What happened is that during the show down, Mr. Talibong argued that he can read a verse that clearly said that Christ build the Holy Apostolic Roman Catholic Church. The verse is Matthew 16:18 in the Confraternity Bible. The only problem is that the Catholic Defenders changed the page where the Matt. 16:18 was printed with the page they wrote by themselves.

The original text of the Matt 16:18 of the Confraternity Version goes: “…. I will build my church…” What the Catholic Defenders did was changed that part to: “… I will build my Holy Apostolic Catholic Roman Church…”

And just like what Brother Parba cried, it’s really a deception!

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21 Responses to “Iglesia Ni Cristo vs Catholic Church Debate – 1”

  1. darwin says:

    where is the video? i am interested in watching it. thanks.

  2. Marcelo says:

    “I will built my church.” The new name of that church today is the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church. That can be proven using the history books of the world. Therefore, still the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, because Church of Christ and Catholic Church are One. Like the name “Simeon” change by Jesus Christ to the name “Peter”. And still, Simeon and Peter are One person Only. Changing Name is just a symbolical way to show that Peter now is a renewed person or new person or having a new faith, the true faith in God. In overall view in the word of Christ “I Will Built My Church”, today that is the “Catholic Church”. There’s deception happened. The Catholic defender, what they did is just showing to us that that Church is the Catholic Church is our present day.

    • SELaplana says:

      From the name itself, the Roman Catholic Church couldn’t be the church built by Christ. Roman Catholic Church is simply the church of Rome.

      If you’ll read the bible, the church built by Christ is named after him, Church of Christ. No one can change the name of the church built by Christ because the true owner of the church is Christ.

    • SELaplana says:

      The Catholic Defender is trying to deceive the people who attended the debate. Now, if the Roman Catholic Church is really the church built by Christ then why should its defender use any kind of deception?

  3. Marcelo says:

    Walang pagbabagong ginawa ang iglesia katolika kung hindi makitid ang utak mo. Ang iglesia ni cristo noon, ay naging laganap na sa ating panahong ngayon. Ang terminong laganap, sa wikang greyego ay terminong catholic o iglesiang laganap. Samakatuwid, ang iglesia ni cristo noon, ngayon ay iglesia catholic na. Ang bagay na iyan, ay makikita sa kasaysayan, pinatotohanan ng ibang relihiyon, at pinagtibay ng pandaigdigang hukom. Kaya, walang pandaraya o pagbabagong naganap.

    Kaya, huwag na kayong magpanggap na kayo ang iglesiang itinatag ni cristo. Tumigil na kayo nga hangal. Dahil, sa mata ng world justice, mga peke kayong lahat. Mga nagpapanggap na kayo ang itinatag ni cristo. Mga ambisyosa kayo.

    Tumigil na kayo sa inyong kasinungalingan. Dahil, sinabi ni cristo na kahit sino ang kakalaban sa kanyang iglesiang laganap na sa buong daigdig, ay hindi magwawagi kahit ang kamatayan. Sinabi din niya, na kahit anong mangyari, kahit pasukan ng demonyo ang iglesia niya ay hindi niya ito iiwanan. At sinabi din niya, na magpapadala siya sa kanyang iglesia ng banal na ispiritu upang gabayan ito sa kanyang paglakad, nakung sakali mang magkaproblema ito ay aakayin niya ito na makatayo.

    Kayo, ipinarehistro ni manalo ang iglesia sa gobyerno na isang uri ng negosyo. Ipinakilalaniya ang kanyang sarili sa gobyerno na siya ang may-ari ng negosyo na iyan. Ngayon, pagkatapos, sasabihin niya sa inyo na hindi negosyo ang kanyang itinayo? Hindi ako naniniwala sa word of mouth. Naniniwala ako sa written statement niya sa gobyerno.

    Denimanda ni manalo si Soriano sa paratang na isang negosyo ang iglesia ni manalo. Pero, sino ang nanalo sa kaso? Siyempre, si soriano ang nanalo. Ang tingin ng gobyerno sa inyong iglesia ay negosyo at hindi relihiyon. Kaya, makapal ang mukha ninyo mga kaanib na pinagkakakitaan ng manalo family.

    • Angel says:

      Ang iyong comento ay hindi nakapagbabago sa katotohanan na nandadaya ang Catholic Faith Defender sa pamamagitan ng pagpalit ng pahina sa Biblia kung saan naroon ang Matt 16:18 upang palabasin na nariyan sa Biblia ang ICAR.

    • truthdefenderinc says:

      The Big Question is, Why Mr. Talibong et al, tampered the Bible? Do not divert the real topic here about business or something.. Why, why talibong and his friends tampered the Bible.. Because the name catholic was only invented by Ignatius in the second century A.D. that is why, we cannot read the name Catholic Church..

  4. Selboy says:

    And because the CFD used tricks and deception, it only tells us that ICAR is not really in the Bible.

  5. Iglesia Katolika Apostolika Romana, mga mandaraya, sinungaling at manluloko…
    BASAHIN NIYO ANG NASA
    REVELATION 22:18-19!!!
    TIGNAN NATIN KUNG ANO ANG GAGAWIN NG DIYOS SA INYO PAGKATAPUS NIYONG DAGDAGAN ANG MGA NAKASULAT SA BIBLYA!

  6. Katoliko yucks, kailangan pang mandaya para manalo sa debate, kahit naman hindi kayo mandaya sure lose kayo sa Iglesia ni Cristo eh!!!

  7. Panoorin niyo ang Debate ni Karl Keating at Bro. Jose Ventilacion,
    si ka Joe gumagamit ng Biblya para sagutin ang mga tanong ni Karl Keating pero si Keating, wala siyang ginagamit, kung gumamit siya, mali naman ang pagkaintindi niya.

    Iglesia Ni Cristo Prevails!!!

  8. G-one T. Paisones says:

    Bro:

    hindi ako naniniwalang nandaya kamingmga CFD sa debate…. Patunayan mo para magkaalaman na!!!!!
    Ano debate tayo?????
    Pls reply tomy email para mapag-usapan natin ang paksa…

    (Take note: Taga Mindanao ako)

    • SELaplana says:

      Saksi ang dumalo sa debate na yan kung paano nangdaya ang CFD. Gusto mo hiramin mo sa CFD na nakipagdebate yung bible niya na may daya para magagamit mo rin sa pandaya.

  9. G-one T. Paisones says:

    Bro:

    May dalawa akong kakilala na may Bible na ganon…. eh ang ponto dito kung gusto kabang ma ki pag debate sa akin yan lang ang ponto…….. Wag kang mag-alala wala pa akong ganong kopya na Bible……

    Hindi tayo dada ng dada…. debate debate,, hindi e hindi….

    if hindi ka authorize maki pag debate…. wag nalang…. ok…..

    • SELaplana says:

      Ibig mong sabihin, yung dalawa mong kakilala may dalawa ding Bible na dinaya tulad nong gamit nong CFD na nakipagdebate sa bohol? So ibig sabihin, talagang pinadami nyo yung dinayang bible na yun.

      Ang PUNTO, nandaya yung CFD. E kung sabi mo may dalawa ka pang kakilalang may ganong Bible, ibig sabihin, talagang nandadaya kayo.

  10. G-one T. Paisones says:

    Pamatod-e sa nga nandaya…….ang mga CFD…… kung gusto nimo mag debate ta sa Pesonal…… Sa Public Plaza ta mag debate……. unsa man ok ka?

    • chrisbalawis says:

      hoy! ipokrito ka tlaga!,..nakasulat sa bibliya na ang mga mahilig sa debate ay mga huwad na guro! at mga anti-kristo!,..mapagpaimbabaw kayo! kunyari taglay nyo ang pangalan ni kristo pro hindi kayo totoong naniniwala sakanya! at maliwanag na nakasulat iyon sa banal na kasulatan na halata nman binabaluktot ninyo dahil hinahaluan ninyo ng pgkapilospo! ANG IBIG SABIHIN KASI NG NAKASULAT SA BIBLIYA NA IGLESYA NI KRISTO AY ANG MGA TAONG NANINIWALA AT TAGASUNOD NA NI KRISTO NA TINAWAG NG MGA KRISTIYANO! AT HINDI IBIG SABIHIN AY ANG RELIHIYON NYO NA DAHIL HINDI PANAMAN IPINAPANGANAK NOON PANAHON NI KRISTO ANG HUWAD NINYONG GURO AT FOUDER NA SI FELIX MANALO!,..NAKAKAPAGPAINIT LANG NG ULO ANG MAG DOKTINA NYO NA NGGING SANHI NG PGKASIRA NG PANANAMPALATAYA NG MGA KRISTIYANO,..NAGKAKASALA PA TULOY DAHIL SA MGA KAGAGAWAN NINYONG MGA REGALO NG DEMONYO SA DAIGDIG UPANG SIRAIN ANG PANANAMPALATAYA NG MGA KRISTIYANO SA PANGINOONG HESU-KRISTO!,..SANA’Y MAMULAT KAYO PAGKAT GRABE ANG KAPARUSAHAN NINYO PAGDATING NG ARAW NG PGHUHKOM!,..MAGBASA KAYO NG PAHAYAG NI MARY K BAXTER AT CHOO THOMAS PRA MAHINTAKUTAN KAYO!!!!,…GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

  11. chrisbalawis says:

    all of you are hipocrates!,.you really dont understand the church that christ was build!,..it means the followers and believers of jesus become 1 church!!!,..and not the inc or roman catholic! because all the followers of christ are all brother’s in christ!,..so stop encouraging people to unite in your cult religion!,..it doesn’t matter what religion you have as long as you believe in christ as the son of God and accept as your personal saviour!,..we are bretheren! but if all of you didnot believe tha jesus christ descended from heaven and become flesh to redeemed us, instead declared that jesus is just an ordinary man that GOD’s uses to intercise us,..you all are fake! and hipocrates!,..MAY GOD TEACH YOU ALL AND GIVE THE RIGHT WISDOM TO MAKE THE UNBELIEVER OF CHRIST BECOME BELIEVER!,..B’COZ IT IS THE MORE IMPORTANT THAN HAVING DEBATE EACH OTHER!!!!

  12. G-one Paisones says:

    Yan…. kami na ngayon ang hilig ng debate….. peru noon brad sa hindi pa kilala ang mga Catholic Faith Defenders,,, hinahamon ninyo ang mga pari at mga laykong Katoliko,, peru ngayong kayo ay natatalo at talagang talo….. kami pa ngayon ang hilig ng debate,,,, hehehehe… istoryahe…….

    Ako masulti sa imo, ayaw pag strong kay ma struggle imong face… hehehee…..
    Hadlok man ka nga makig debate sa ako….
    PS… dili nako gamiton ang Confraternity version sa atong debate aron maka match ka ba…… heheheheh
    ===
    Kung lain imo ipa debate…… Tan-awon sa nako kay mananghid pako sa among labaw sa CFD…. peru kung ikaw….. public place…….. penirmahay pata sa debate ug atong panotaryohan….

    Regardsm

    G-one Paisones

  13. albert E. Cuartero says:

    kailan man hindi mapapabulaanan ang katotohanang ang iglesia ni cristo ang iglesiang dapat nating pagsamasamahan.. nawa katokin ng diyos ang inyong mga puso upang bigyan pansin ang aral na tinutupad sa loob ng iglesia, buksan lang ninyo ang inyong mga puso at isipan pag aralan ninyo walang sinoman ang pipilit sa inyong umanib sa iglesia.. gaya ng ginawa naming mga nagsuri, kayo mismo ang tumuklas kung ano ang iglesia ni cristo.. at sa habag ng diyos nawa dito tayo magsamasama..isa pa hindi tayo kaikangan ng iglesia kundi ang tao ang nangangailangan sa iglesia sa isang tunay na iglesia ni cristo.. sapagkat napakaraming nakatatag na relihiyon ngayon.. kung paanong nagaala tayo sa araw araw ng ating buhay.. sana bigyan din natin ng pag aala ang ating kaluluwa.. muli walang mawawala sa atin magsuri lang kayo at kayo ang tumuklas ng katotohanan..

  14. albert E. Cuartero says:

    and with regards with the issue about the tampering of the bible.. alisin po muna natin sandali ang galit sa ating puso just look for the issue wag na po muna nating pag usapan ang dokrina kung alin ang tama sa dalawang issue/ dun muna po tayo sa tanong na ang CFD po ba ay naging tapat sa layunin nila patunayan ang kanilang panampalataya o idepensa, kasi po yun po ang tungkuling tinangap nila bilang depensor katoliko… muli po ang tanong pinalitan po ba nila ang nasusulat sa matt. 16:18? kung hindi po ay nagbibintang lamang po pala ang iglesia ni cristo. at kung totoong pinalitan nila.. at bakit po kailangan pang palitan kung malinis po ang intensiyon..alam po natin kung gaanong kabigat ang kasalanang pagpapalit ng ano mang nasusulat sa biblia , sabi nga po ng biblia kahit tuldok lang gaano pa kaya ang kabuuan ng nilalaman. yanong lamang po nasa atin pa rin po ang pagpapasya sa pagunawa kung ano ang tama o mali.. yun nga pang mga ank natin simula pagkabata maging tayo pinalaki po tayo ng ating mga magulang na masama po ang magsinungaling.. kayo na po ang magpasya, hindi po layon ng iglesia ni cristona saktan ang damdamin ng aming kapwa.. ito po ay pagtupad lamang sa utos na paghahayag ng katotohanan ito po ay dala ng pagibig na nais po naming ibahagi sa inyo ang katotohanang natuklasan namin. sana po muli bigyan po ninyo ng pagkakataon ang iglesia ni cristo suriin po ninyo kayo po mismo. mapawi po sana ang galit na nililikha ng diyablo sa bawat puso ng tao upang tayo ay madaya.. mr. Nr. Paisoness Mr. balawis.. sana paunlakan po ninyo itong aking paanyaya tulad po ninyo ganyan din po ang aking damdamin ng hindi ko pa alm ang Iglesia ni cristo kayo na poi ang tumuklas maraming salamat po…

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